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Alexia

And touch is quite easy to impose if you really want to feel it somehow

Which guide did you use?

@Deleted User - jump None, actually. We have found out it's easy for us when we tried.

7:48 PM

Give a dakimakura a hug and imagine it's your tulpa~

why the fuck my emotions create thoughtforms

Deleted User

Hi! I have a question. How do you guys cope with being unable to touch your tulpa? I don't know if this is a common issue but I bet some people have to deal with this.

I'm sorry, I need more context. What do you mean by touch?

Adeus.

why the fuck my emotions create thoughtforms

personally i dont see a difference. well, i mean i do see a difference but a lot of the neural activity people classify as emotion or thoughtform feel like lines in the sand for me. one could easily become the other, and often do

I personally don't think thoughtforms and emotions are the same thing. A thoughtform can represent an emotion or even a facet of your personality, or they can be something more complex like a tulpa. If you are skilled at whipping up thoughtforms, it can be very easy to create a thoughtform that symbolizes your emotions or intrusive thoughts. However, that doesn't mean they're a tulpa. You can turn them into a tulpa, although I would caution it's probably better to start from scratch than create a tulpa from an intrusive thought.

maybe i just have a simplistic view of thoughtforms or a needlessly flattering view of emotions MarkdownContext { Depth = 1 }

It's easy to make an accidental thoughtform who talks back to us for some tulpamancers. In my opinion the key to maintain sanity in that case is to know that you don't have to attach to those walk-ins for a long time and develop them into tulpas.

qwerty sachs

maybe i just have a simplistic view of thoughtforms or a needlessly flattering view of emotions MarkdownContext { Depth = 1 }

I'm now curious how you experience your emotions on a regular basis

What even is a thoughtform?

10:43 PM

Based on the time your response is taking i believe ive asked the right question...

A long kiss goodnight

I'm now curious how you experience your emotions on a regular basis

same as anyone else i guess. im not above thinking of emotion as just carnal or "of the flesh". the subconscious mind puts just as much effort into emotion as any other thought. i might go as far to say that what we think of as conscious thought is just an elaborate dance of emotion itself. it all uses the same circuitry so is emotion any more logical or high minded as the language we use? its all the same to me. this is more of my worldview dipping back in but we evolved for hunting and gathering in the savannah, i dont think of thought any more than simple tools used in the right way

In my experience people use the word thoughtform to talk about pretty much anything weird going on on their heads, ive never really come across a good idea that separates it from anything else.

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

In my experience people use the word thoughtform to talk about pretty much anything weird going on on their heads, ive never really come across a good idea that separates it from anything else.

we are of one mind then :)

What?

it means "i agree" except pretentious

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

In my experience people use the word thoughtform to talk about pretty much anything weird going on on their heads, ive never really come across a good idea that separates it from anything else.

I also feel that way. Anything weird that has some kind of personification, more specifically.

Which basically means that there is not much definition bending needed to label anything as a thoughtform... Ones whole internal reality could be a big thoughtform, and the same for any subdivision of it. Basically rendering the word meaningless.

a person's entire reality is constructed by thought alone. not a single person has seen the real world for what it truly is because of the failures of our senses. im fine with playing with lines in the sand, defining what is or isnt a thoughtform. but i think thats accurate

Im fine with drawing lines too... But i have never seen anyone draw any good lines for what a thoughtform is and what isnt.

10:58 PM

Usually people contradict or are too vague or base their definition on examples...

we live fun lives for people born upon the tide. playing sand and swimming in the sea

Alejandro

I also feel that way. Anything weird that has some kind of personification, more specifically.

This is the most closed/robust definition ive seen so far...

qwerty sachs

same as anyone else i guess. im not above thinking of emotion as just carnal or "of the flesh". the subconscious mind puts just as much effort into emotion as any other thought. i might go as far to say that what we think of as conscious thought is just an elaborate dance of emotion itself. it all uses the same circuitry so is emotion any more logical or high minded as the language we use? its all the same to me. this is more of my worldview dipping back in but we evolved for hunting and gathering in the savannah, i dont think of thought any more than simple tools used in the right way

I have a very different idea of what emotions are. I believe that emotions are just like warning lights or indicators. If you feel happy, it indicates you are doing something you enjoy. If you feel stressed, it indicates there is something you find threatening. My sense of stress isn't going to tell me about it's day and how I'm not good enough or whatever. My inner critic will do that job for me, but I don't think that's an emotion or a thoughtform. I believe a thoughtform is an entity that represents a character, an aspect, or a person in the mind. For instance, story characters, tulpas, a representation of your mom, a tv show character, a personification of your life problems, etc. I used to generalize thoughtform to be any entity in the mind with a form, but I noticed other people used thoughtform like the former so I conformed.

Then i could argue that there is a thoughtform that represents when you are going to feel happy and under what circunstances and its switching those lights on and off. Would that be correct?

why not use the word character instead of thoughtform?

A long kiss goodnight

I have a very different idea of what emotions are. I believe that emotions are just like warning lights or indicators. If you feel happy, it indicates you are doing something you enjoy. If you feel stressed, it indicates there is something you find threatening. My sense of stress isn't going to tell me about it's day and how I'm not good enough or whatever. My inner critic will do that job for me, but I don't think that's an emotion or a thoughtform. I believe a thoughtform is an entity that represents a character, an aspect, or a person in the mind. For instance, story characters, tulpas, a representation of your mom, a tv show character, a personification of your life problems, etc. I used to generalize thoughtform to be any entity in the mind with a form, but I noticed other people used thoughtform like the former so I conformed.

how would fruedian slips factor into this? or do you believe the subconscious doesnt work that way? im interesting in how you might see that

Alejandro

why not use the word character instead of thoughtform?

I personally consider a character to be a thoughtform

So a thoughtform is just the anthropomorphization of a process in the brain?

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

So a thoughtform is just the anthropomorphization of a process in the brain?

Yes

Alejandro

why not use the word character instead of thoughtform?

i think people might misunderstand "character" as something fictional or not entirely credible. i like it though, i might start using that

qwerty sachs

how would fruedian slips factor into this? or do you believe the subconscious doesnt work that way? im interesting in how you might see that

I think a Freudian slip is just you projecting without being careful about what you say. I don't think this has much to do with emotions. Or thoughtforms (edited)

I'm proud of being fictional

11:08 PM

Yes

@A long kiss goodnight - jump Okay, our process responsible for ability to walk is now called Stella. I'm going to set up a tupperbox profile for her.

Ranger also said that a thoughtform is not necesarilly a tulpa.

A thoughtform can be a tulpa, it's an umbrella term

Alexia

Yes

@A long kiss goodnight - jump Okay, our process responsible for ability to walk is now called Stella. I'm going to set up a tupperbox profile for her.

Do you really want a tulpa "connected" to your ability to walk?

11:10 PM

It seems like a very odd and possibly undermining mindset to possess

Stella, say hi

stepping noises (edited)

... Keep in mind you really shouldn't have meme tulpas, it's against the rules

A walk-in perhaps?

@Rxspty - jump let-in*

An, you might need to write a guide to influence the vocabulary people use. I have noticed a vocab change about switching when Verple posted their guide on switching

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... Keep in mind you really shouldn't have meme tulpas, it's against the rules

@A long kiss goodnight - jump It's you who said it's tulpa. But yeah, I'm just ridiculing a concept of thoughtform defined that way.

A long kiss goodnight

An, you might need to write a guide to influence the vocabulary people use. I have noticed a vocab change about switching when Verple posted their guide on switching

What was it called before?

screw you Ranger I’m going to make a John Cena tulpa and you can’t fucking stop me

A long kiss goodnight

... Keep in mind you really shouldn't have meme tulpas, it's against the rules

politely asks my jackie chan tulpa to leave the room

I noticed an uptick in people talking about "soft switching". Then again, I didn't collect hard data on this, it could be me spitting in the wind. I just thought it was interesting

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soft switching?

is soft switching not just possession

First time I hear the term soft switching

I’ve heard it and I always thought it sounded dumb

I'll have to find Verple's guide

11:17 PM

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eOKCXF6f8bMqyyXYPuWrejEB4v7UjVBs4kc9HZ0p40E/edit

Verples Switching Guide

Switching In my observations, there are two broad categories of switching, characterized by the following attributes. 1. A shift in primary thought origination. 2. Bodily activity direction. 3. Full body possession. 4. Host awareness dissociation. "Wait what's the difference between possession ...

is soft switching not just possession

@Error

(@Rusty) - jump From what I can see there, soft switching seems to be something completely different.

(I don't use the term "soft switching", I would still call that switching. As for possession vs soft switching, I think it depends on if the tulpa and host figured out a way to make things equaled out or not. For example, the tulpa and host switch so quickly it doesn't become a problem)

Honestly it's hard switching that looks weird for me in that guide. If I already am me why would I bother with possession?

It looks to me like it's a distinction between "switching is tulpa coming into consciousness" and "switching is consciousness being absorbed in tulpa"? (edited)

I refuse to read a guide, I’m not here to study

11:24 PM

they are always stupid long

full body possession is mentioned specifically in definition of "hard switching" twice

11:25 PM

they are always stupid long

@Error

(@Rusty) - jump That's rude. ~~but based~~

full body possession and switching is the same thing. You can’t change my mind

From my point of view, people often mistake switching they have already achieved for full body possession... But it's clear distinction between them. Switching is changing your identity, possession is dissociating from your body control and associating it with tulpa.

you need both of those to switch

Yes, so how do you call it if only one happens? (edited)

iirc "soft switching" is switching by changing primary thinkers and "hard switching" is switching by doing full body possession so long that a switch takes place I think people make up different definitions for these terms and it gets confusing

you need both of those to switch

@Error

(@Rusty) - jump you don't need any dissociation of body control while switching.

it's not that soft switching is a lower tier switch or something

Yuka

iirc "soft switching" is switching by changing primary thinkers and "hard switching" is switching by doing full body possession so long that a switch takes place I think people make up different definitions for these terms and it gets confusing

That doesnt clear it up for me. Tbh, i have no idea about the difference between switching and possesion either. (edited)

That doesnt clear it up for me. Tbh, i have no idea about the difference between switching and possesion either.

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump What's your background with this kind of stuff?

Yuka

That doesnt clear it up for me. Tbh, i have no idea about the difference between switching and possesion either.

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump What's your background with this kind of stuff?

Im a fully formed tulpa, i can switch.

11:34 PM

I have had various very different switching experiences and I call all of them switching.

If you can already switch, these terms don't matter that much imo they're mostly just used to explain stuff so people can learn how to switch, or to theorize about switching

I think people's theorizing and tons of guides only makes it look more complicated than it really is.

Alexia

I think people's theorizing and tons of guides only makes it look more complicated than it really is.

I agree.

There was a long time when switching was not well understood and not as many people could do it, so there was a lot of discussion and terms like soft switching, wonderland switching, etc

11:38 PM

Yeah, it was way overcomplicated

why intellectualise if you can just look at this gif, try to change the way where the train is going and get the feel of what switching of perspective feels like? https://londontopia.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/train.gif

You don't even know how many tulpamancers would be frothing at the mouth at how we define switching these days (well, maybe you've seen it already)

KiTkAt( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

why intellectualise if you can just look at this gif, try to change the way where the train is going and get the feel of what switching of perspective feels like? https://londontopia.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/train.gif

That doesnt encapsulate anything related to the experiences of full dissociation (although i believe it has really nothing to do with the switching itself, i believe its just an addition to spice the final result for "realism").

You had to separate your consciousness and go full immersion into wonderland (or black out), or it wasn't a switch

i can't relate to having problems with dissociation

Honestly, now that I think about it, switching of perspective and switching in tulpamancy are quite similar

Yuka

You had to separate your consciousness and go full immersion into wonderland (or black out), or it wasn't a switch

That seems like a really unhealthy way of switching.

now that you think after i brought it up

11:43 PM

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Imagine the direction of the train in the gif is one of your identities. From left to right is the host, from right to left is the tulpa.

i wrote about it more here https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895537978048535/949329161288310784

11:44 PM

and more exercises too

11:44 PM

but yeah that's the idea

I can only see the train move in one way unless i look at only the nearest wagon.

try other examples in the link i shared

11:45 PM

duck rabbit will probably be easier

That seems like a really unhealthy way of switching.

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump People couldn't even do it, but they stressed them selves out a lot trying and felt like failures

Yuka

That seems like a really unhealthy way of switching.

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump People couldn't even do it, but they stressed them selves out a lot trying and felt like failures

Its a kind of gatekeeping in a way, why would you restrict what is a switch if other people just have other experiences which work for them?

I think the "blackout" switching comes from memory barriers that can be experienced by people affected with dissociative disorders.

KiTkAt( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

duck rabbit will probably be easier

duck rabbit is really easy

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People shouldn't get those from practicing tulpamancy, it's very misleading when it comes up.